Gil grew up in West Philly and went to Central High School in North Philly. His father was a Philadelphia Police officer and his mother became a Director of Geriatric Medicine. His mother was a believer and Gil was saved at the age of 14. He says that God miraculously changed his life and set him on fire for God. He prayed and witnessed to his friends all throughout high school. He went to Temple University for a year before he came to Valley Forge Christian College and graduated. He went to Camden, New Jersey to help with a church and church plant.
Don't leave a Christian college farther from God than when you came.
Don't work out of just gift and no relationship.
He left the Assemblies of God because of spiritual pride and things began to spin out of control.
We are called to seek God's face not success.
He moved to Western Pennsylvania to a farm to start a Christian community. However, in hindsight he say that they were steeped in legalism and were in bondage. He says that he finally cried out to God and God answered him. He says he ignored promptings of the Holy Spirit originally but says that through a series of events that at the time seemed evil God used for good to break Gil down.
He came back to Philly and to his surprise they all gave him grace.
Gil Trusty has gone on a journey that has had its ups and downs. But Gil is so thankful that God has had His hand in His life through it all. I really feel a sense of humility, thankfulness and very very authentic. He is a very genuine and truthful person.
Gil currently is the youth pastor at Calvary Chapel Philadelphia. They currently are running about 350 kids.
Tuesday, April 26, 2011
Tuesday, April 19, 2011
Dan Miller
Dan is the pastor of Back Mountain Harvest Assembly in Trucksville, Pa. He grew up in Selinsgrove area of Central Pa and grew up in a farming home. He ended up in the ministry because of visions and dreams where God told him that he would preach. He also was prophesied over that he would preach. He was 19 when he was married. He helped start a church. He went back up to Millersville with Glenn White.
"Never go against a man of God unless he is doing something immoral. Always support a man of God."
If you can't serve, you can't lead. Do not ask someone to be subordinate if you can't be. Serve your superior even if they are wrong, unless they are doing evil.
He then goes to Trucksville to Back Mountain Harvest Assembly, the church at the time was dying. 8 of the 16 that were there left.
"Hang your hat at what you're good at."
"Some comes to your door; love them. If they leave; love them."
Work yourself out of a job. If someone is better at you than preaching, put them into a position to preach somewhere.
Be among sinners. If you can't be among sinners, you will not get saints. (He does state that if you are a new Christian, it is not a good idea for them to be with sinners because they may be tempted.)
The are currently running about 650 on Sundays.
Instead of a new church building, they built The Rock. It's a recreational center for the public. They are community driven. "It's about those that aren't us yet [Christian]." About 1000 people use the The Rock.
They also have free eye glasses, free legal, and a bunch of other ways to reach out and love on the community!
I really like what Dan Miller is doing in NEPA. I am from the area though so I may be biased but there are really strides being made. I like that the church is community based because I feel that sometimes we are more about souls and less about their lives. We need to meet their needs in order for them to be able to hear about what we have to say. We need to genuinely care for them so that see that we care about them and are not just another "notch in our belt." In other words, what Dan Miller is saying and doing... really resounds with me. I pray God continues to bless them and they continue to bless others.
[This blog is really all over the place because everything Dan Miller is saying is so good and solid. Please excuse the messiness and the disorganization.]
"Never go against a man of God unless he is doing something immoral. Always support a man of God."
If you can't serve, you can't lead. Do not ask someone to be subordinate if you can't be. Serve your superior even if they are wrong, unless they are doing evil.
He then goes to Trucksville to Back Mountain Harvest Assembly, the church at the time was dying. 8 of the 16 that were there left.
"Hang your hat at what you're good at."
"Some comes to your door; love them. If they leave; love them."
Work yourself out of a job. If someone is better at you than preaching, put them into a position to preach somewhere.
Be among sinners. If you can't be among sinners, you will not get saints. (He does state that if you are a new Christian, it is not a good idea for them to be with sinners because they may be tempted.)
The are currently running about 650 on Sundays.
Instead of a new church building, they built The Rock. It's a recreational center for the public. They are community driven. "It's about those that aren't us yet [Christian]." About 1000 people use the The Rock.
They also have free eye glasses, free legal, and a bunch of other ways to reach out and love on the community!
I really like what Dan Miller is doing in NEPA. I am from the area though so I may be biased but there are really strides being made. I like that the church is community based because I feel that sometimes we are more about souls and less about their lives. We need to meet their needs in order for them to be able to hear about what we have to say. We need to genuinely care for them so that see that we care about them and are not just another "notch in our belt." In other words, what Dan Miller is saying and doing... really resounds with me. I pray God continues to bless them and they continue to bless others.
[This blog is really all over the place because everything Dan Miller is saying is so good and solid. Please excuse the messiness and the disorganization.]
Project: Church Planter
For my class project I chose to take the church planting test and talk with some church planters. I really enjoyed doing this because church planting was something that I was interested in. I found that I did well on the entrepreneurial side but I was lacking in what I could grow or build. I talked with a few people about this including Tom Rees and found that to strengthen this area I needed experience. I could go about this in different ways. I could help out at a church plant or even intern at one so that I could get hands on experience as to how a church plant is run. I could also try to look for a job at a church plant to also gain experience. I also learned that I could go through a program run through Chi Alpha, since I was interested in possibly getting involved with starting a campus ministry, to get training and even do an internship at a campus that has Chi Alpha ministry.
I also feel that by gaining more experience I will learn more about ministry than I do in classes. I did an internship over the summer and learned a great deal about ministry through doing ministry and talking with the founder of the organization that I interned with. I feel as if there was more experience involved in classes at college, students would learn far more than what they could from textbooks and reading.
I am currently praying as well as sending my resume and applications to different churches and organizations to gain experience and find what God has for me. I am still interested in possibly at least getting involved with church planting and I pray that somehow I will get involved with it in some aspect.
I also feel that by gaining more experience I will learn more about ministry than I do in classes. I did an internship over the summer and learned a great deal about ministry through doing ministry and talking with the founder of the organization that I interned with. I feel as if there was more experience involved in classes at college, students would learn far more than what they could from textbooks and reading.
I am currently praying as well as sending my resume and applications to different churches and organizations to gain experience and find what God has for me. I am still interested in possibly at least getting involved with church planting and I pray that somehow I will get involved with it in some aspect.
Tuesday, April 12, 2011
Jerry Stoltzfoos
Raised Amish but when he was 16-17 he began to question why people did not get saved? He disagreed with his church and began going to another church (Pentecostal). He was mentored and says that he was changed and learned a lot while being mentored maybe even more so then actually in class. His mentor then left to go into missions in Russia.
Transitioned from a church in Lancaster to begin a church plant. They were looking for a growing community, those praying for a church and a conceivable way to provide for his family. He was originally looking to go to Philly but ended up in Gettysburg. He went to a meeting of a group of churches wanting to plant a church. He went in with the expectation that he was still going to Philly but after talking with them. He found that he liked them and found them honest and genuine. After leaving, on the way home his wife told him that they were going to move into a house she saw in New Oxford, Pa. After a crazy series of events, they moved there and started a church called Freedom Valley Worship Center. Their church slogan is "Church for those who have given up on church."
He also feels that we need to start treating kids (at age 13) like adults. He feels that we look at kids as less when they have an incredible amount of potential. I think that this is an interesting concept.
States he did everything wrong in the church plant but it grew with the grace of God. They started with 42 but have now grown to four campuses with 1250-1300 people.
"New churches reach people like nothing else does."
They do many different things to help reach the lost. If you come to their church and you are from another church, they will welcome you and are glad you are there, but they are there for the lost. THey are there for the new converts only. I feel this is an awesome concept to follow. Church should be to help feed those that are there but primarily should be for reaching those that do not know Jesus.
Jerry was on a Nightline Special on speaking in tongues. A researcher at the University of Pennsylvania says that he has medical research to show that speaking in tongues is really what we say it is. According to the researcher, during tests when those that are praying are speaking in tongues the parts of the brain that controls language is actually not as active. In others
He also got publicity because he refused to take out the name of Jesus in a prayer at the House of Representatives. However he prayed at the Senate, where he was able to say the name of Jesus.
Transitioned from a church in Lancaster to begin a church plant. They were looking for a growing community, those praying for a church and a conceivable way to provide for his family. He was originally looking to go to Philly but ended up in Gettysburg. He went to a meeting of a group of churches wanting to plant a church. He went in with the expectation that he was still going to Philly but after talking with them. He found that he liked them and found them honest and genuine. After leaving, on the way home his wife told him that they were going to move into a house she saw in New Oxford, Pa. After a crazy series of events, they moved there and started a church called Freedom Valley Worship Center. Their church slogan is "Church for those who have given up on church."
He also feels that we need to start treating kids (at age 13) like adults. He feels that we look at kids as less when they have an incredible amount of potential. I think that this is an interesting concept.
States he did everything wrong in the church plant but it grew with the grace of God. They started with 42 but have now grown to four campuses with 1250-1300 people.
"New churches reach people like nothing else does."
They do many different things to help reach the lost. If you come to their church and you are from another church, they will welcome you and are glad you are there, but they are there for the lost. THey are there for the new converts only. I feel this is an awesome concept to follow. Church should be to help feed those that are there but primarily should be for reaching those that do not know Jesus.
Jerry was on a Nightline Special on speaking in tongues. A researcher at the University of Pennsylvania says that he has medical research to show that speaking in tongues is really what we say it is. According to the researcher, during tests when those that are praying are speaking in tongues the parts of the brain that controls language is actually not as active. In others
He also got publicity because he refused to take out the name of Jesus in a prayer at the House of Representatives. However he prayed at the Senate, where he was able to say the name of Jesus.
Wednesday, April 6, 2011
Steve Trader
Steve grew up in a born again Christian home with both parents involved in church planting. He was a teenager who accepted Christ as his Savior at 21 and went to Widner University. He spent 23 years in the pharmaceutical field as a draftsman and also went to school at night in order to get his business management degree so he could move up within the company as a supervisor.
When it comes to leadership in the church, you need to surround yourself with people that are smarter than you and better than you in areas that you are not good at.
In church at Wilmington First Assembly, he did everything but missionettes. He went through Berean to take pastors classes because he had felt that he was called to plant churches.
"The difference between what you like doing or really good at and doing what you are called to do is big."
A few other couples along with Steve Trader and his wife prayed and fasted for three months and after three months he left his job at the pharmaceutical company to start a church in Hockessin, Delaware. 7 families went with them from Wilmington, but states that these were "high caliber" people that
"You cannot train your core team enough before the actual start."
"Be Our Guest" was also used in the training materials that they used.
They had to use outreach to gain attention. They mostly relied on people to be very intentional to bringing people to church. The also had luncheons twice a month for those that were new or visitors to the church.
He explained that hospitality was a huge part of a launch as well.
The last thing you need to do when people are coming from a Catholic background or leaving the Catholic church is guilt them. They feel enough guilt as it is.
They also have bought an old produce market that is turned into a church market and coffee house that even on Sunday their second service is broadcast live there for those that do not want to or are leery about coming to a church.
Steve says that ministering is far harder than working in the pharmaceutical field.
Steve Trader's story and journey is not like other stories. He was a supervisor in a pharmaceutical company who left that and started a church. I actually really like his story in that he was able to reach people because he knew how they lived because he lived where they lived and knew them personally already. This way all those around him could see the change in his life and knew that he was a trustworthy and true person that was genuine. I really enjoyed listening to Steve and hearing the words of wisdom that he had to offer.
When it comes to leadership in the church, you need to surround yourself with people that are smarter than you and better than you in areas that you are not good at.
In church at Wilmington First Assembly, he did everything but missionettes. He went through Berean to take pastors classes because he had felt that he was called to plant churches.
"The difference between what you like doing or really good at and doing what you are called to do is big."
A few other couples along with Steve Trader and his wife prayed and fasted for three months and after three months he left his job at the pharmaceutical company to start a church in Hockessin, Delaware. 7 families went with them from Wilmington, but states that these were "high caliber" people that
"You cannot train your core team enough before the actual start."
"Be Our Guest" was also used in the training materials that they used.
They had to use outreach to gain attention. They mostly relied on people to be very intentional to bringing people to church. The also had luncheons twice a month for those that were new or visitors to the church.
He explained that hospitality was a huge part of a launch as well.
The last thing you need to do when people are coming from a Catholic background or leaving the Catholic church is guilt them. They feel enough guilt as it is.
They also have bought an old produce market that is turned into a church market and coffee house that even on Sunday their second service is broadcast live there for those that do not want to or are leery about coming to a church.
Steve says that ministering is far harder than working in the pharmaceutical field.
Steve Trader's story and journey is not like other stories. He was a supervisor in a pharmaceutical company who left that and started a church. I actually really like his story in that he was able to reach people because he knew how they lived because he lived where they lived and knew them personally already. This way all those around him could see the change in his life and knew that he was a trustworthy and true person that was genuine. I really enjoyed listening to Steve and hearing the words of wisdom that he had to offer.
Tuesday, March 29, 2011
Curt Seaburg
<---- (Pastor Curt and his wife Pam)
He married Pam in 1985 at Zion Bible College. He graduated and took a youth pastor position full time in Ephrata, Pa. His first time in ministry was interesting and found that most of what he has learned came from being in ministry and not Bible college. His first lesson was that he "was not as smart as I think I am."
He states that he had a lot to learn and was also very cocky. He does say that he was very grateful for the experience and that who he worked with gave him a chance.
How do you cope in a ministry where the style's, ages, and other things clash?
He states that he was naive and that it was probably good because he did not come in with preconceived notions. This helped him cope as well as a great relationship with his wife.
He also tried to look for what he could learn in any situation.
He felt like it was time to move on after a time and moved to Dover, Delaware. He was there for three years then moved to Canada for 6 months and then got fried from ministry and then took a break form ministry.
He states that he got so busy that he was working and doing some many things that his relationship with his wife began to be stressed. After reconnecting and a break form ministry, they moved to Lancaster, Pa to work with New Life.
He says to set boundaries and set aside time for the family apart from ministry.
They used to set up the life-sized scenes of the life of Christ during Easter called the "Easter Drive Through"
"DO NOT BURN BRIDGES!!!! No matter what."
Whatever season you are in, is the best, once you move on, the last season is behind you and always look to what you have at hand.
They moved to Florida for 7 years to a church of 1200 people. He worked with the youth group and helped with worship. He states it was a very good time and a time of growing. The youth ministry really grew. They also built a "dream center" to reach out to the community by mentoring, and giving them chances to better themselves. When they left the church, it was at 5000 with 700 in the youth group.
While they are down there they had hired a worship, middle school and high school specific pastor to help out.
They moved back to Pennsylvania and out of the split of the New Life church came Victory church. Their friend was the lead pastor and asked them to come up and be executive pastor with him. So they moved up and worked with them and help with worship in 2004.
Curt is a very dynamic man of God and very honest. I really liked listening and taking in everything that he had to say. I pray that his ministry and everything he does is blessed!!!
Craig Groeschel
So I thought that blogged about Craig, and come to find I did not. So here it goes:
Craig Groeschel is the lead and senior pastor of LifeChurch.tv, a church that has 13 locations in 6 states as well as broadcasting through their website to countless others. His style is non-traditional but seems to be working since his church is now the second biggest in the United States. That is if you measure success by the number of people. Regardless, Craig's approach is influential in a age where it seems everyday computers are evermore becoming more and more used.
One can asked that an online church could just be adding more to an already hectic schedule. But this seems to be though out well since there is a dedicated online pastor and a chat room that is open while the service is being broadcast, which by the way is broadcast throughout the day in regular intervals throughout the week. The chat room is open had has hots that help to answer questions and provide a welcome experience. There is a live prayer room as well as resources for those that make a decision to follow Jesus.
Some may not readily like or agree with this model but no one can doubt the success and influence it has on those that are very computer savvy, not able to leave their home because of health, and various other reasons. Many watch, respond and yes, give online to the church.
I think that this model of church is different but in an age and culture where information, computers, and constant noise we need a model like this to reach those that are very much involved with computers and also those that are so on the move that they cannot get to a church.
I went online and actually watched a service and participated in the chat. I think that this is a very good thing and that God is moving in this model to reach those that do not know Jesus.
Craig Groeschel is the lead and senior pastor of LifeChurch.tv, a church that has 13 locations in 6 states as well as broadcasting through their website to countless others. His style is non-traditional but seems to be working since his church is now the second biggest in the United States. That is if you measure success by the number of people. Regardless, Craig's approach is influential in a age where it seems everyday computers are evermore becoming more and more used.
One can asked that an online church could just be adding more to an already hectic schedule. But this seems to be though out well since there is a dedicated online pastor and a chat room that is open while the service is being broadcast, which by the way is broadcast throughout the day in regular intervals throughout the week. The chat room is open had has hots that help to answer questions and provide a welcome experience. There is a live prayer room as well as resources for those that make a decision to follow Jesus.
Some may not readily like or agree with this model but no one can doubt the success and influence it has on those that are very computer savvy, not able to leave their home because of health, and various other reasons. Many watch, respond and yes, give online to the church.
I think that this model of church is different but in an age and culture where information, computers, and constant noise we need a model like this to reach those that are very much involved with computers and also those that are so on the move that they cannot get to a church.
I went online and actually watched a service and participated in the chat. I think that this is a very good thing and that God is moving in this model to reach those that do not know Jesus.
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
David Kennard
They left James River when he heard the voice of God and even others told him, "Time is up and it is time to leave James River." They had a hard time finding somewhere to go next. He prayed to God, "Whatever it is you have to teach me, please teach me." He realized that he needed to be praying for the person that would be leaving the position he would soon take.
He says that he needed to learn to wait well. Thankful for others to have wisdom to help speak into him during times that he questioned his worth and value.
Embrace the growth in a time where you are waiting.
He ended up at Riverside from a mutual friend.
He says that the lead pastor and him are total opposites but they compliment each other well.
People will follow you deeper and longer when you lead from a position of weakness.
They are a very missional church as opposed to an attraction based. They also record the message and play it at later services as well. It seems to work well for them, says David.
Free Market Small Groups: People get together intentionally to build relationships and have intentional spiritual relationships.
D=R+I
Discipleship= Relationships + Intentionality
Intentionality uses James Engel's scale of salvation. The goal of the groups is to move people closer to "zero" or salvation. They also are trained to listen to needs to be met and meet them with intent. Anyone can lead a small group but there is a screening process and classes that need to be completed and attended in order for them to be cleared.
They have 80-90% of their people are involved in small groups.
When We Get It Wrong by Dominic Smart
They say to read and read and read. A lot. Once out of college, you will learn and grow in knowledge through reading.
Direction not intention will not determine your destination.
Pay attention to what you give your attention too. One wrong decision can lead you to the totally wrong destination.
Not just David Kennard came but an entire group from Dave's church and some from others. It was really great to hear and see how they all relate and communicate. They all had amazing things to say and I really paid attention to every word and story they had. I almost forgot to write some it down. I love to see how God is authentic, genuine and real to them and see how they are trying to relate that to others. I hope and pray God continues to move and bless all of them.
Tuesday, March 15, 2011
Steve DeFrain and Donnie
Steve DeFrain grew up in the Schwenksville area. Went to college at Southwestern University and was a children's pastor out in Oklahoma for a time.
"The church didn't do me any favors.", he says. The people in the church turned him off about the church. "Church people can be mean. Don't get me wrong, there are those that are nice though." His dad was a pastor so he saw all sides of ministry and was sometimes turned off.
His parents paid for his college but never really got into a church until he was 21. There he got involved and began helping out there. It was then that Jesus really got in his life and changed it drastically.
Did not really know what to do with ministry he said, but knew he was called to it.
Likes the ministry but not the church or the people in the church. Started to go to Life church (now a massive online church; Craig Groetchel). He loved it all there. He said everything was professional and also not done the norm, but people were still responding.
He was about to write church off until his dad called him and asked him if he wanted to get involved with a young adult church they were thinking of starting. It was a Sunday night service for young adults and it first went horrible. After 6 months they changed to a Sunday morning and were there for a year and almost closed. But then, a Mennonite church was closing and wanted to sell the building. After a year of negotiations, their building was given to Steve and the young church plus 7 acres of land. It grew slowly a first but has since blown up and now has a satellite site of it's own in downtown Phoenixville, Pennsylvania.
"We exist for those not yet here." <-- What church is suppose to be about.
Donnie got saved 2 months after Journey started. He called himself a town drunk and dead-beat dad but it all fell apart and he challenged God to show him He is real. He got saved on a highway in Virginia and entered a recovery group. Steve's brother asked him to come to Journey. He says he felt like it fit. He even went back to his wife he divorced 2 years ago. God restored their marriage. He says that it wasn't a slow progression but a drastic move of God!
Donnie is the campus pastor of the Phoenixville satellite church. He oversees everything, minus preaching, which Steve does.
Phoenixville church started this past December on Christmas Eve at The Colonial in downtown Phoenixville.
Steve DeFrain and Donnie, truly seem to be running, not walking, after God. Jesus is real, authentic, transformational and they want all to know it!
Tuesday, March 1, 2011
New Christian Interview
I had the privilege of interviewing someone that had accepted Jesus Christ into their life just a few months ago. We'll call him Nate. They are in high school and attend the same high school, church, and youth group that I grew up in. It was really nice talking to this young man because he was really genuine in his answers and seems to be a very authentic individual.
His journey of faith started when a good friend of Nate's invited him to come to youth group. He really liked it there and began to come to youth group and Sunday morning services after a while. Nate states that he grew up Catholic and had received sacraments as well and felt he was close to God. But after he kept coming to youth group he realized he was not as close as he hoped. It was through the encouragement of his friends and the youth staff that helped him take the step and accept Christ.
Nate states that the best part of becoming a Christ follower was the feeling of now having a purpose and of being here for a reason. However, he does state that he still sometimes has doubts and doesn't like that he gets into arguments or get's put down because he is a Christian. What helps him grow in his faith with Christ is the personal experiences that he has and also reading the Bible and the stories it contains.
I asked Nate how to give me advice on how I could help others grow in their faith and he told me to be real and authentic with them. Acting like it is fake or scripted is not a good thing because people can pick up on it. He sites that living your like like a Christian should (at least as best as you can) is probably the best way to encourage someone. As well as, telling them what God has done in your life.
Nate is unashamedly a Christian. Everyone at his school knows he is and that the kids he hangs with mostly are. They are sometimes put down for it or made fun off. He also states that they sometimes get into arguments with kids. For the most part he doesn't give them too much attention because he knows they just want to pick on them or argue to make the upset or try to trip them up. He knows that their will be struggles but he plans on trusting in God and relying on friends and family to help him.
His journey of faith started when a good friend of Nate's invited him to come to youth group. He really liked it there and began to come to youth group and Sunday morning services after a while. Nate states that he grew up Catholic and had received sacraments as well and felt he was close to God. But after he kept coming to youth group he realized he was not as close as he hoped. It was through the encouragement of his friends and the youth staff that helped him take the step and accept Christ.
Nate states that the best part of becoming a Christ follower was the feeling of now having a purpose and of being here for a reason. However, he does state that he still sometimes has doubts and doesn't like that he gets into arguments or get's put down because he is a Christian. What helps him grow in his faith with Christ is the personal experiences that he has and also reading the Bible and the stories it contains.
I asked Nate how to give me advice on how I could help others grow in their faith and he told me to be real and authentic with them. Acting like it is fake or scripted is not a good thing because people can pick up on it. He sites that living your like like a Christian should (at least as best as you can) is probably the best way to encourage someone. As well as, telling them what God has done in your life.
Nate is unashamedly a Christian. Everyone at his school knows he is and that the kids he hangs with mostly are. They are sometimes put down for it or made fun off. He also states that they sometimes get into arguments with kids. For the most part he doesn't give them too much attention because he knows they just want to pick on them or argue to make the upset or try to trip them up. He knows that their will be struggles but he plans on trusting in God and relying on friends and family to help him.
Tuesday, February 22, 2011
Daniel R. Schafer
(*This blog seems highly unorganized. It is basically just a collection of sayings and stories that Dan had told. I was more concerned with listening to him to write a coherent and organized blog*)
Dan is a chaplain worked with agencies during 9/11. He is also a pastor in New Jersey. He was in the police force before and during his ministry. He has been in ministry for 47 years.
Crisis Intervention Intl. LLC
"Just trust in the Lord and it will open doors." "The Holy Spirit opens the doors for us."
He helps run a "racer sunday." It's a car show for the community.
He is closely related to NASCAR racing
Red, White and Blue service. It's for the police, fire and EMS departments.
September 11, 2001
He lives an hour from NYC. He was a chaplain at a couple police departments. He went to the outside of the city and the next day was put into the position of mobilizing and organizing the chaplains. He did over 50 memorial services. They helped those process everything that was happening. They did not preach but helped needs. Every piece of human remains had a "service" or prayer over the body at different sites. The person or body could have up to 4-5 services, each "site" (the place where the body was found, ambulance, hospital and other sites) had a service for the body.
Tells of a time where they started to sing hymns and songs. Everybody took notice and gathered and sung. He says, "You could feel the Holy Spirit wrap His arms around the area and just say, "I'm here, I'm here."
In terms of stress on the workers there, he helped them by something he calls ministry of presence. People will forget your words but never your presence.
It's just doing things for people. You don't touch people, unless you know people. You don't have to know the answers. You just tell the truth. "In the hands of the Lord."
Funerals are some of the greatest times to minister, but you have to know how to say the right things.
"No such word as closure or getting back to normal. You find a new normal."
On April 11, 2002, Dan was there when the last two full bodies were found at the site.
He is a chaplain mostly of the police. He states that those guys are in such an area of stress. They take everything they see home and stuff it all in. They need to vent and get rid of what they see. It's not what you say, you just have to listen.
He works with police in all situations: murder, suicide, shootouts, accidents, crashes... etc.
Words are more powerful than a gun.
Recognize our limitations.
80% of my coping mechanism in Christ, 20% from professionals. (No medications.)
He is a chaplain for 4 police department, 4 fire departments, and 1 EMS department.
This speaker was by far my favorite so far. He is very practical and gives really practical advice! He is a great man of God and a witness of what God can do through just serving people.
Dan is a chaplain worked with agencies during 9/11. He is also a pastor in New Jersey. He was in the police force before and during his ministry. He has been in ministry for 47 years.
Crisis Intervention Intl. LLC
"Just trust in the Lord and it will open doors." "The Holy Spirit opens the doors for us."
He helps run a "racer sunday." It's a car show for the community.
He is closely related to NASCAR racing
Red, White and Blue service. It's for the police, fire and EMS departments.
September 11, 2001
He lives an hour from NYC. He was a chaplain at a couple police departments. He went to the outside of the city and the next day was put into the position of mobilizing and organizing the chaplains. He did over 50 memorial services. They helped those process everything that was happening. They did not preach but helped needs. Every piece of human remains had a "service" or prayer over the body at different sites. The person or body could have up to 4-5 services, each "site" (the place where the body was found, ambulance, hospital and other sites) had a service for the body.
Tells of a time where they started to sing hymns and songs. Everybody took notice and gathered and sung. He says, "You could feel the Holy Spirit wrap His arms around the area and just say, "I'm here, I'm here."
In terms of stress on the workers there, he helped them by something he calls ministry of presence. People will forget your words but never your presence.
It's just doing things for people. You don't touch people, unless you know people. You don't have to know the answers. You just tell the truth. "In the hands of the Lord."
Funerals are some of the greatest times to minister, but you have to know how to say the right things.
"No such word as closure or getting back to normal. You find a new normal."
On April 11, 2002, Dan was there when the last two full bodies were found at the site.
He is a chaplain mostly of the police. He states that those guys are in such an area of stress. They take everything they see home and stuff it all in. They need to vent and get rid of what they see. It's not what you say, you just have to listen.
He works with police in all situations: murder, suicide, shootouts, accidents, crashes... etc.
Words are more powerful than a gun.
Recognize our limitations.
80% of my coping mechanism in Christ, 20% from professionals. (No medications.)
He is a chaplain for 4 police department, 4 fire departments, and 1 EMS department.
This speaker was by far my favorite so far. He is very practical and gives really practical advice! He is a great man of God and a witness of what God can do through just serving people.
Tuesday, February 15, 2011
Tom Rees
Tom grew up in West Philly with his mom and dad. His mother was from Italy and his dad was a regular dancer on American Bandstand. At age 5, his parents divorced. Tom did not grow up in a Christian home and lived a very turbulent childhood.
He asks, "What do you do when you have all this anger inside of you?"
In an amazing turn of events, she ends up walking into a Baptist church and talks with the pastor. The pastor told her that if she was to hang onto the anger it would destroy her. This hit her and she cries out to God and asks for help. She is born again and begins to believe. She begins to watch the early televangelists like Billy Graham and asks Tom to watch them with her.
His first real instance with God was through tracts that he found while working at a record store. He was saved after reading the first tract about how works do not equal salvation. His mom and Tom begin to go to meetings with a group called the Catholic Charismatics (Mainline). They began to go to an Assemblies of God church and through the church and went to a summer camp called PTL in South Carolina.
Student a VFCC for 4 years and got a job at a mental health home. He planned patient activities. He really enjoyed the opportunity and states that he "Loved that job." It did come with some trials but it showed him that this is real life, life and death. Tom says that the job helped slow him down and look at the life of Jesus.
After two years he moved on and began looking for a job in ministry. He looked at three different churches and was glad he looked and went to each church. "If you can eat dinner with the family that is hiring you. You will learn loads!"
"Don't just jump because it is something for you to jump into. Makes sure it's a fit."
He was hired to work with young adults, shut-ins, and then eventually children's ministry. It taught him a lot and humbled him a lot.
He realized that people were getting saved but the church was not growing. He realized that by pouring into kids lives they will have a greater probably of coming back. He was talking about discipling. He realized that if he could disciple kids and make friends with them an walk through life. He also realized that he needed to develop a team. Discipleship is not a one man band but a team.
He now works with the Penn/Del church planting and the assistant to the superintendant. He helps get church plants/planters get started by finding people for the plants and getting them started and getting them connected with people that can help them.
Most difficult part of ministry is... me. He states, "He wanted to be part of a successful ministry. He then read this book called "Liberating the Ministry from the Success Syndrome" It changed his life and view on ministry.
Tom is married to Cherri since 1985. They met at Potomac Youth Convention when Tom was on 3D (skit team). They have two kids.
Tom is an awsome guy and teaches this class. He has a heart for God and is great communicator.
He asks, "What do you do when you have all this anger inside of you?"
In an amazing turn of events, she ends up walking into a Baptist church and talks with the pastor. The pastor told her that if she was to hang onto the anger it would destroy her. This hit her and she cries out to God and asks for help. She is born again and begins to believe. She begins to watch the early televangelists like Billy Graham and asks Tom to watch them with her.
Student a VFCC for 4 years and got a job at a mental health home. He planned patient activities. He really enjoyed the opportunity and states that he "Loved that job." It did come with some trials but it showed him that this is real life, life and death. Tom says that the job helped slow him down and look at the life of Jesus.After two years he moved on and began looking for a job in ministry. He looked at three different churches and was glad he looked and went to each church. "If you can eat dinner with the family that is hiring you. You will learn loads!"
"Don't just jump because it is something for you to jump into. Makes sure it's a fit."
He was hired to work with young adults, shut-ins, and then eventually children's ministry. It taught him a lot and humbled him a lot.
He realized that people were getting saved but the church was not growing. He realized that by pouring into kids lives they will have a greater probably of coming back. He was talking about discipling. He realized that if he could disciple kids and make friends with them an walk through life. He also realized that he needed to develop a team. Discipleship is not a one man band but a team.
He now works with the Penn/Del church planting and the assistant to the superintendant. He helps get church plants/planters get started by finding people for the plants and getting them started and getting them connected with people that can help them.
Most difficult part of ministry is... me. He states, "He wanted to be part of a successful ministry. He then read this book called "Liberating the Ministry from the Success Syndrome" It changed his life and view on ministry.Tom is married to Cherri since 1985. They met at Potomac Youth Convention when Tom was on 3D (skit team). They have two kids.
Tom is an awsome guy and teaches this class. He has a heart for God and is great communicator.
Unchurched?
I interviewed a few people that for the most part are "unchurched" or in other words have not been to church in a while. I have found that at one point all of them had at one point have gone to church. All of them say that it was when they were young. All of them are in college now and I realized that all of them believed in the relativity of truth. They each thought that what they had was truth but that there was no such thing as an absolute truth. What was also interesting was their view of church. Some said that they still would go from time to time while others said that they did no longer. The major reason why: hypocrisy. They saw the hypocrisy in the church or have been on the receiving end of it and it has put a bad taste in their mouth. They saw the things that are happening in the Roman Catholic church and with the child molestation and have written off the church. None of those that I interviewed were against church, they just viewed it as it was not right for them but it could be right for others. They believed strongly in coexisting with people and allowing others to follow what they wanted to follow.
From what I could gather from these interviews was that people are not really opposed to church but are more opposed to people forcing things on them. They want the freedom to believe what they believe. I see a generation that is truly looking for truth but to shout at them and tell them how much of a sinner they are is not going to help them listen to you. If anything we need to love on them and build a relationship with them before being able to speak into their lives. This means going out to the people to serve them and let them know we genuinely care for them before being able to have the privilege of speaking to the about Jesus. I lines up with John 13:34-35. That by loving each other the world will know Jesus. IF we love each other.
Tuesday, February 8, 2011
Jason Lamer
He put himself through college (with some loans of course). He went as a pastoral major but his heart was for evangelism. He lead worship at a church north of the school and married at age 19 half way through college. A church put him on staff as youth pastor and even went to community college, because it was cheaper. He attributes this to the hand of God because he feels they were right where God wanted them.
After graduation Jason got a job in Uniontown, Pa to be a youth pastor. He was there till 2006 when he got involved with Youth Alive.
Exciting to see how many kids were serving God after they left youth group and also that every service they held in youth group, they expected someone to get saved. They were running 110 kids and he attributes this to the fact that they did campus mission.
The craziest youth group event they did was to pay one dollar to shoot the youth leaders with a paintball gun while they ran in between obstacles.
He is called the McDonald's evangelist because he knows everyone behind the counter at a McDonald's and if he doesn't he will get to know them.
For where they met, they took what they had and made it somewhere for them to hang out. They would actually go to the school's and pick up kids before youth group. Within a month they needed another van and quickly grew out of their meeting place. "Unless the Lord builds the house, we can't do anything."
He built relationships with people. Mayor's, principle's, anyone that he could. He capitalizes on relationships, not opportunities. It doesn't need to be getting them where you want them and then saying "gotcha!"
Site: The Seven Project
Site: www.yausa.com
"Don't even let fear stop you from doing the things God wants you to do."
Jason Lamer is a man after God's heart and and wants to do and be in His Will. I love his views on evangelism and outreach and his heart for reaching kids in public schools. If I took away one think from Jason Lamer it would have to be that being in the Will of God is a must and that He will provide and take care of those who are in His will.
He didn't really talk to much in depth about his personal life but more about what God has done for him and everything he is doing to bring God glory. I think that is really interesting because it shows that he is truly passionate about God and reaching out to those who do not know about Him.
Tuesday, February 1, 2011
Christ Follower: Barnabas
There are not many verses in the Bible pertaining to Barnabas. However, what we do have paints us a picture of his passion and character.
We first hear of Barnabas in Acts 4:36, here he (and his wife) have sold their land and have brought the proceeds to the apostles in order so that those that do not have anything or are in need, would no longer have a need. This shows that he cares for other people and also his passion for letting others know about the Good News.
The next time we hear about Barnabas is when Saul, now called Paul, enters Jerusalem after his Damascus road experience and also after being snuck out of Damascus through a hole in the wall. Talk about a black ops mission. The apostles and believers are a little weary of Paul because of his past. Barnabas steps in though and tells them all about Paul's experience and how he has been preaching the Good News to everyone around him. The apostles were amazed and let Paul stay with them. Paul continued the work he started in Damascus in Jerusalem and preached and debated with the Jews there to the point they tried to kill him so he was sent away to Tarsus.
There is a few more chapters that pass without mention of Barnabas. We pick up in Acts 11:22 when two men from Cyprus came to Antioch and were preaching the Good News there. Jerusalem sent Barnabas to check out what was going on. When he arrived and saw what they were doing, he saw that the grace of God was there and he was glad. He encouraged them to stay the path, so to speak, and stay with God.
We see that Barnabas was known as a good man but most importantly he was full of the Holy Spirit and faith.
Here is a good place to explain that Barnabas's real name was Joseph. However the apostles renamed him Barnabas, which means Son of Encouragement. In Antioch, we see the truth to his name in that he encouraged the prophets and apostles to stay the course. In the same passage mentioned above, we see a description from Luke (who wrote Acts) of the character of Barnabas.
" When he arrived and saw the grace of God, he was glad, and he encouraged all of them to remain true to the Lord with a firm resolve of the heart — for he was a good man, full of the Holy Spirit and of faith—and large numbers of people were added to the Lord." (Acts 11:23-24)
We see that Barnabas was known as a good man but most importantly he was full of the Holy Spirit and faith. This means that Barnabas was know as a good man and was liked by many because he had a passion to encourage others and especially to encourage others in faith. We see that he was full of the Holy Spirit, meaning he has received the Holy Spirit and operated in it. But not only that he had much faith. He was passionate about God and spreading the Word, we see this particularly in Acts 4:36 when Barnabas and his wife sold all they had to help the apostles. We also see that he is trustworthy because the church send monetary aide with Barnabas and Saul. Barnabas also is very much into evangelizing. He goes with Paul on his missionary journey's and in the Scriptures is said to debate and preach with as much passion and fervor as Paul did. Barnabas only leaves Paul because of a sharp disagreement between him about allowing a young man named John Mark to come with them. They disagree because John Mark had left them on earlier missions and Paul does not want anyone that cannot finish it till the end to come with him. Barnabas saw it otherwise.
But this brings up the fact that Barnabas is interested in discipleship as well. We see this in Acts 15 that Barnabas wants Mark to come with Paul and him. I think, because we know Barnabas is an encourager, wanted to look past Mark's shortcomings and encourage him and help him.
We lose track of Barnabas here. However we know that what he did with Mark... worked. We know this because in 2 Timothy 4:11 Paul says:
"Only Luke is with me. Bring Mark with you, for he is useful to me in the ministry."
Mark was useful to him.
There is not much in the Bible about Barnabas, his name only occurs 28 times. But what we do have we learn that he was a Spirit-filled, passionate, and faithful man. He was a man of character who loved God and wanted to encourage, and disciple God's people and spread God's word. He started out as everyone else, selling his belongings and grew to an evangelist walking and preaching with Paul.
We first hear of Barnabas in Acts 4:36, here he (and his wife) have sold their land and have brought the proceeds to the apostles in order so that those that do not have anything or are in need, would no longer have a need. This shows that he cares for other people and also his passion for letting others know about the Good News.
The next time we hear about Barnabas is when Saul, now called Paul, enters Jerusalem after his Damascus road experience and also after being snuck out of Damascus through a hole in the wall. Talk about a black ops mission. The apostles and believers are a little weary of Paul because of his past. Barnabas steps in though and tells them all about Paul's experience and how he has been preaching the Good News to everyone around him. The apostles were amazed and let Paul stay with them. Paul continued the work he started in Damascus in Jerusalem and preached and debated with the Jews there to the point they tried to kill him so he was sent away to Tarsus.
There is a few more chapters that pass without mention of Barnabas. We pick up in Acts 11:22 when two men from Cyprus came to Antioch and were preaching the Good News there. Jerusalem sent Barnabas to check out what was going on. When he arrived and saw what they were doing, he saw that the grace of God was there and he was glad. He encouraged them to stay the path, so to speak, and stay with God.
Here is a good place to explain that Barnabas's real name was Joseph. However the apostles renamed him Barnabas, which means Son of Encouragement. In Antioch, we see the truth to his name in that he encouraged the prophets and apostles to stay the course. In the same passage mentioned above, we see a description from Luke (who wrote Acts) of the character of Barnabas.
" When he arrived and saw the grace of God, he was glad, and he encouraged all of them to remain true to the Lord with a firm resolve of the heart — for he was a good man, full of the Holy Spirit and of faith—and large numbers of people were added to the Lord." (Acts 11:23-24)
We see that Barnabas was known as a good man but most importantly he was full of the Holy Spirit and faith. This means that Barnabas was know as a good man and was liked by many because he had a passion to encourage others and especially to encourage others in faith. We see that he was full of the Holy Spirit, meaning he has received the Holy Spirit and operated in it. But not only that he had much faith. He was passionate about God and spreading the Word, we see this particularly in Acts 4:36 when Barnabas and his wife sold all they had to help the apostles. We also see that he is trustworthy because the church send monetary aide with Barnabas and Saul. Barnabas also is very much into evangelizing. He goes with Paul on his missionary journey's and in the Scriptures is said to debate and preach with as much passion and fervor as Paul did. Barnabas only leaves Paul because of a sharp disagreement between him about allowing a young man named John Mark to come with them. They disagree because John Mark had left them on earlier missions and Paul does not want anyone that cannot finish it till the end to come with him. Barnabas saw it otherwise.
But this brings up the fact that Barnabas is interested in discipleship as well. We see this in Acts 15 that Barnabas wants Mark to come with Paul and him. I think, because we know Barnabas is an encourager, wanted to look past Mark's shortcomings and encourage him and help him.
We lose track of Barnabas here. However we know that what he did with Mark... worked. We know this because in 2 Timothy 4:11 Paul says:
"Only Luke is with me. Bring Mark with you, for he is useful to me in the ministry."
Mark was useful to him.
There is not much in the Bible about Barnabas, his name only occurs 28 times. But what we do have we learn that he was a Spirit-filled, passionate, and faithful man. He was a man of character who loved God and wanted to encourage, and disciple God's people and spread God's word. He started out as everyone else, selling his belongings and grew to an evangelist walking and preaching with Paul.
Tuesday, January 25, 2011
John Ratz
John Ratz was born in Hong Kong in a pastor's home. He moved around a lot and states that sometimes it was hard to move around but he kind of feels bad for those that have to stay in one place all their life. A majority of his time was spent in Western Canada between teenage and Bible school years.
Fast forward to Brightmoor Christian Church
He was originally hired to work with the technology and married couples but eventually wanted to start small groups. After a year of planning, a meeting was held to see who was interested and trained. After modeling the groups and training them, 60 groups were started in host homes set up personally from the start. At one point 60% of the adults were in the groups.
He also lead a group that would call visitors and those that have no come to church in a while. He states that by Friday, if no one had called them, the chances of them coming back drop drastically to 2%. The sooner you call the more likely the will come.
CLC Bensalem, Pa
He was hired here specifically for small groups. The model here was different. The groups were already under way but were in a state of disarray. The groups here were multi-generational
He has no preference to models he says because there are thousands of different models.
His passion is to developing people. Three values drive him Spiritual formation:has to be about growth first, Authentic relationships: you don't get to help someone if you don't have a real relationship, and Missional living: living to help others and the church.
When the groups got bigger, more than 20, he set up coaches to help the leaders of the small groups. He found these by setting up "round table discussions" and observing to see if people would stick out or "bubble up". The skill set for a coach is different than the skill set of a leader he says.
His definition of a disciple is someone that loves God, loves others, is growing in and with God and is involved in missional living.
All in all, I really loved hearing him talk. So much so that I almost forgot to write what he was saying sometimes! He truly is a man of God and has a lot of good things to say abut God, small groups, and how churches can benefit from them. If you get a chance to hear him speak or a chance to talk to him, you truly will be blessed.
Tuesday, January 18, 2011
Pastor Bob Novak
Pastor Bob Novak is the pastor of a church, Life Christian Fellowship, in Springfield, Pa. Originally from Nebraska and ended up in Pa from a call of God and recalls God had to do some "mystical things" to get him to Pa. Prompted by dreams given by God. His direction was to go to a metropolitan area. After reading mail that he almost threw out, his wife and him felt a prompting to plant churches in and around Philadelphia. He planted a church in Springfield, Pa by raising funds and working with many other people. He says the real test is the implimentation of the church plant is what is tough. Everything about it is tough. The area they planted was a very religious area with strong Catholic ties. They brought no launch teams but used Bible Studies and children's programs to help grow. He quotes, "It's amazing what God will do when you don't quit."
"When you plant and have a small core to begin with it is all about building relationships." he says. They met in an elementary school and actually made headlines in the local papers because at first, it was not allow. They did not want to start a fight but met and talked with the school board and the lawyer. With more than half coming from Catholicism.
What are some things that helped to grow the church?
They tried a lot of things. Their greatest success was individuals that come and connect with Jesus in meaningful ways and became great evangelists. Also using servant evangelism or meeting the needs of people. An example, giving windshield washer fluid to people on snowy or rainy days. It is basically meeting the practical needs of the neighborhood. Building friendships and relationships with people is also a must.
Souperbowl of Caring. Which is going out an canvasing the neighborhood to collect canned goods for families in need.
They also have a preschool on site. Pastor Novak states that it is a lot of work but it has been a good place to help pray and meet the needs of others through it.
Many from Africa live in Philadelphia, especially from areas of civil war. Found that many African immigrants were coming to a church they started in Darby. It is an African church with many different nationalities and a vibrant youth. Their culture is different than ours, specifically church culture.
"It is amazing what God has put inside of you. The potential that is in you is amazing."- Pastor Bob Novak
Internships
In their internship, they pour into their life and require them complete a project that requires vision. They pour into them with leadership, personalities, and much more. The project is something that comes from the intern themselves. They try to expose them to the family life of the church. They are a paid internship: approximatally $300 a week and a roof over their head.
Discipleship
They use Chip Ingram's "R12" based on Romans 12. It is a DVD curriculum with discussion. Their needs to be dialogue and reaction but their needs to be relationships and engagement from those that have been believers for a while.
"Most exhilarating thing about planting churches is hearing the stories of whose lives were changed because of the plant."
Exist to serve the families of delaware county. Connect with God, connect with community and connect with families.
Pastor Bob is a very knowledgeable man. I really enjoyed hearing what he had to say about a bunch of topics. Most importantly I loved how he is very much into relating and forming relationships with people. Serving people is also a very important part, it seems, in his ministry. I also particularly love this because I feel the church today can sometimes look more at numbers as a show of success. Jesus was a very relational person and I feel we need to be relational as well. Jesus genuinely cares for people and He cares about their life. We need to care, genuinely, about what goes on in their life in order to have an impact.
Great man of God and great things to say!
How People [I] Grow
I figured I would at least blog something since I have some free time on my hands in between reading. The book I am reading, How People Grow by Drs. Henry Cloud and John Townsend is a really good read. What the book talks about in how people grow in every aspect of their life is all spiritual growth as well. It has really hit home for me and many areas and I am taking my time in reading it so I can soak in as much as I can, even though I will probably re-read this book many more times.
What this book talks about seems almost simple and very basic. However, I think we forget these basic things and get caught up in the more "advanced" ways of growth and living. In reality, if we forget the basic things then doing the advanced things just will not work. It is like playing guitar. You cannot learn how to play a solo or a riff if you can barely strum a chord. Everything you play is built off of a very basic skill you must learn and never forget in order to play correctly.
I am only a little ways into this book and there is a lot more to read. So it looks like the advanced things are covered as well as the basic... I hope.
What this book talks about seems almost simple and very basic. However, I think we forget these basic things and get caught up in the more "advanced" ways of growth and living. In reality, if we forget the basic things then doing the advanced things just will not work. It is like playing guitar. You cannot learn how to play a solo or a riff if you can barely strum a chord. Everything you play is built off of a very basic skill you must learn and never forget in order to play correctly.
I am only a little ways into this book and there is a lot more to read. So it looks like the advanced things are covered as well as the basic... I hope.
Wednesday, January 12, 2011
About me.
My name is Cody Gorel. I just turned 22 a few days ago and I'm a Christian Ministries major at Valley Forge Christian College. I am engaged and am planning with my future wife to get married in September. I am not really sure what I am going to be doing with the rest of my life or where it is going to be. I am passionate about music and helping people. At this point in my journey, I am soaking up (or trying to) everything that I can because I truly have no idea where or what I need to be or do.
Music is a big thing in my life so I listen to and play (on my guitar) large amounts of it and different genres as well, although my favorite thing to listen to (and play) is spirit-filled hardcore/heavy music. I have a lot of empathy for people in that scene probably because I grew up in it. There are not too many Christian groups or Christians for that matter that venture out to build relationships with kids that do listen to that music. However in the recent years more and more bands that are, in actuality a ministry, have sprung up and tour extensively all over the globe.
I love to read. I love to learn about things and read about almost anything. With school it is hard to do because of the immense about of course work, but during breaks I try to read a book. I am actually really looking forward to reading more once I get out of school and by reading more I mean books that interest me and do not depend on a grade.
I am really looking forward to this class. It is not like anything I have taken so far and that is a very welcome thing. I hope to learn as much as I can about whatever it is we talk or hear about in class because I never know where or what I am going to use it or need it.
Music is a big thing in my life so I listen to and play (on my guitar) large amounts of it and different genres as well, although my favorite thing to listen to (and play) is spirit-filled hardcore/heavy music. I have a lot of empathy for people in that scene probably because I grew up in it. There are not too many Christian groups or Christians for that matter that venture out to build relationships with kids that do listen to that music. However in the recent years more and more bands that are, in actuality a ministry, have sprung up and tour extensively all over the globe.
I love to read. I love to learn about things and read about almost anything. With school it is hard to do because of the immense about of course work, but during breaks I try to read a book. I am actually really looking forward to reading more once I get out of school and by reading more I mean books that interest me and do not depend on a grade.
I am really looking forward to this class. It is not like anything I have taken so far and that is a very welcome thing. I hope to learn as much as I can about whatever it is we talk or hear about in class because I never know where or what I am going to use it or need it.
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